Brain Food for Pioneering Spirits: A behind-the-scenes look at how the Deep Talk Club actually works — why the room rules exist, what they protect, and a lively topic collection for what’s coming next. In Room #852, listen in on the examples that came up and the perspectives that emerged in dialogue…
Note: This session was recorded live in German as part of the Deep Talk Club, so the video above is German-language audio only. What follows is an English translation of the conversation, lightly edited for readability — the back-and-forth between the moderator and participants is preserved, but the original timestamps and speaker names have been left out.
As announced, today we’re talking about room rules and also doing a topic collection, and I’m really looking forward to that too, I’m very, very curious what comes together especially in the topic collection. I’d like to go over the room rules again, because from time to time it simply makes sense to remind everyone here again too, because every now and then one thing or another creeps in, in quotes, that maybe wasn’t meant that way, or that one person or another maybe isn’t even aware of, but that’s really important for the moderation too, so also to support me in staying within the time frame here, on one hand. On the other hand, maybe also to be able to better understand this or that, even though it’s not up for discussion or debate, in the sense of, we’re now jointly deciding the room rules or something. But I think it’s quite helpful to go into that again in one place or another, to also pick up what I might keep noticing in different contexts, and to establish a certain transparency in communication here too. And yes, room rules are ultimately usually made to also give a certain orientation or guardrails, to also support the moderation, so not to exclude anyone or to make sure you don’t “over-regulate,” in quotes. And at the same time there are many, many nuances that you maybe can’t even capture if you join the club now or something. Writing endless lists in there, I don’t find that particularly helpful either. And many are also things you maybe just notice through experience. And then you can place this or that in various places again and talk about it and then move on again. And so I’ve decided that today we’ll just briefly go over these room rules in the sense of transparency, so you can maybe place this or that better for yourselves too. And that doesn’t mean the room rules are right and that it’s right how I do it, in quotes, but rather it means primarily that it’s the decision that this room has these guardrails, so to speak, and in the sense of transparency to talk about that, so to simply tell you that too and maybe make you aware of this or that. And then afterward I’d like to move toward the topic collection too. Yes, and those are various things. I’ve brought various points along as notes for myself, hoping that I’ll have addressed everything that’s occurred to me over the last weeks, months, and I’ll just go through the points now.
Namely, regarding moderation, what helps me incredibly is that you always hand back after contributions you’ve made — and that usually happens anyway, but sometimes there are exceptions, and that’s why I want to raise awareness — to always, after you’re done with your contribution, so to speak, not hand the word to a next speaker or something, but actually play the ball back to the moderation. That has various backgrounds. On one hand there might be something in between that I still want to communicate. Just as an example, someone raises their hand in between and maybe doesn’t have the three small rules we have, this first and last name, profile photo where you’re clearly recognizable, and at least one sentence in the bio, or maybe wrote something in the chat, along the lines of, can I come up on stage too, or it’s maybe something technical or similar. So it can always be something. That’s why it’s important to always play the ball back toward the moderation here, so to speak, before it goes to the next person. The same applies in the sense of aspects too. Yes, I’ll hold back my word contribution, then maybe XY should speak first. So really looking at that too, unless I’ve really given you free rein in the sense of, who among you would like to go now, along the lines of — I do that sometimes in between too, then that’s totally fine. But if the word contribution really goes to person X, then not playing the word contribution back to the next person, but rather playing the ball back to the moderator, so to speak, so to me in that case, so I can see how I can handle the situation. Those are a few small things.
Then we have the profile photo, first and last name, and at least one sentence in the bio. That has various backgrounds. We’ve had the experience that this works especially very, very well regarding Clubhouse trolls. Because they usually don’t have the patience. They come into the room, bam, raise their hand. And if they’re not immediately taken into account — and here too, to make sure no one is excluded, this gets repeated again and again, also in between — especially when I see a hand raise coming in right now and the room rules aren’t being followed, that’s when I repeat them again especially, so that out of fairness this person also gets the opportunity, provided it’s a seriously meant contribution, or if I feel like it and say, this is important enough to me that I can adjust and join accordingly. Of course there’s then the situation that we also have people in the room who, for whatever reason, maybe were in another room in between or something, also swapped out a photo, or generally, per se, for some reason don’t want to have a clear photo where you’re clearly recognizable or similar on Clubhouse. And there are various backgrounds here. On one hand from the aspect of fairness — even if I might have experienced you in another room already, or experienced you in Deep Talk, the same rules still apply to everyone. Simply out of fairness. On the other hand, though, and these are aspects you maybe don’t even notice partly. That means, I usually get overwhelmed with messages and so on and so forth. That means, whenever exceptions or such were made in the past, for example, that leads to reactions in the room too. You might not even notice that in the room itself as a listener, but it means, for example, reading various messages about the topic afterward, or maybe even having to make the decision, do I respond to that now or not, because depending on how many messages come in, it’s sometimes just not manageable time-wise to respond to these messages accordingly. And so that no one here feels excluded somehow or similar, it’s simply the case that the rules apply equally to everyone, regardless of whether you’re already known to me or not. And I simply ask that you take that into consideration and handle it accordingly. That’s not to harass anyone, so to speak, but simply in the sense of fairness on one hand.
Then we also picked up this topic at the authors’ breakfast with Franz. And that was also about this aspect of social media. We talked a lot about how, well, it’s relatively often anonymous there. And especially when something goes in the direction of anonymous, it’s much easier to quickly leave some comment where you’re maybe not quite as objective or similar anymore. And those are also aspects that contribute here too. That means, you notice it, it’s a relatively small room where people keep coming back. But new people also join who maybe don’t know this or that rule so precisely. And then it’s always very nice, regarding, yes, meeting at eye level here, creating a familiar framework, precisely not being anonymous. It’s not just about the content contribution, but it’s also about this trust that develops here too, and making yourself visible. And whoever doesn’t want that, as I said, always has the option, you know this, of bringing in the contribution via the chat too. I’m just as happy about that, at least, and take that into account accordingly too. But no exceptions are made here, along the lines of, well, if someone has already brought in contributions via the chat many times, where it’s also obvious — and it is obvious, I agree with you, where it’s also obvious that it’s a seriously meant contribution. Still no deviation regarding these room rules.
Then I’d like to ask that no one from the audience be invited to speak or join in, neither by name nor generally, because on one hand that’s, in my view, the job of the moderation, but it also has other reasons. On one hand, maybe someone doesn’t like that, maybe someone feels pushed right now. Then there are situations, you know this too, you can’t always speak or similar. And on the other hand I also find it, on the recording, especially for people who maybe aren’t regularly there but listen in every now and then, then accordingly, this — someone was invited and then doesn’t show up afterward, in quotes. I don’t find that necessary in the recording context, so to speak, either. So if someone has something to say, we leave it to the person, and the person can gladly join then. And I also don’t want anyone to feel favored or disadvantaged. Everything we basically mean well, in quotes, can on the other hand also lead to someone else having the feeling, yes, too bad no one says that regarding me, or regarding me I’m not invited here or similar. And especially against the backdrop of respectful interaction with each other at eye level, I find it very, very appreciative if we don’t treat one person more equally than another here, but really pay attention to such small signals here too.
Then I said, let me just look through again, also so I stay with my notes and work my way along a bit, to make sure I don’t say afterward, oh, I completely forgot to mention that. Right, then in exactly this context we already had situations like — I’m really bringing this up as an example, and it’s not meant to call anyone out, so please, yes, very, very neutrally, just so you have a few examples. We’ve also had situations like, I miss XY today at the end of a room, or where is XY today, whether that comes in via chat or via a spoken contribution. And those are always signal signs for me too that a kind of imbalance arises in one place or another. Or it actually suggests that the other person’s contributions might not be as good. So whenever we especially highlight something, we’re also doing something in reverse. So raising awareness of that again too, and dealing with it accordingly. I know that’s usually meant very lovingly, and yet in one place or another, context-dependently, not necessarily always appropriate, from my perspective, from my very personal perspective. Each of you makes a contribution in a completely individual way, and that in itself has its place in this room too, and that’s also important to me to underline again. There, one isn’t better or worse than the other, but only in this interplay — and that’s also what characterizes these rooms — that in this interplay, through these different perspectives, and also that people are at different levels and so on and so forth, exactly what arises here every day in a magical way through the dialogue we create here arises, which is mega valuable and moves us all forward equally, one step further too. For one it’s this impulse, for another it’s that impulse. And yet every contribution in itself is a valuable one.
Yes, then we also always had the point of respectful interaction with each other. That of course also includes letting people finish, and I usually work quite well too, and gladly giving a hint in the chat too. I find that totally great, if something isn’t technically working right now or something, that the community keeps chipping in here too. And I see that too. What I’d rather not see are things like — and maybe that as a hint too, so you’re not surprised — often simply parallel-written private messages. On one hand there are far too many channels, whether that’s not everyone writing via Clubhouse, one writes via WhatsApp, another writes via maybe LinkedIn or similar. And then we have even more channels that I don’t even use as intensively, like Instagram or something. And through all channels, you can imagine, messages reach me every day too. And especially when you’re in the room and, for example, something doesn’t work, or particularly something technical or such, then it’s almost better to give a signal via the chat, for example, because the probability of me seeing that message is much higher than any private message that came in via some channel in the background, so to speak. That also has various reasons. I also don’t look in parallel while I’m with you in the room and concentrating on the word contributions, neither during an authors’ breakfast, an expert talk, nor the daily rooms. I don’t look in parallel at any private messages sent to me, because I concentrate fully and completely on the moderation and on you and on the content that comes from you too. If I kept slipping off somewhere else, in the sense of “let me see if there’s maybe a message somewhere too,” then I wouldn’t focus 100 percent on you content-wise anymore either, and on what’s said, and then I also wouldn’t be able to build the bridges as well anymore and so on and so forth. So maybe just that as a hint. So please don’t be surprised if I don’t always write a reply to every message that comes from you, that I receive. I usually only see that sometimes days or weeks later. That’s one background for why I sometimes don’t react anymore. The other is also that it’s a flood of messages. Yes, so those aren’t just the messages that come in because of Deep Talk. There are also numerous emails, numerous customer inquiries and and and, all of that has by now, and applications and so on, all of that has by now become so much that it’s simply no longer possible to respond to every message somehow. And quite apart from the fact that I also don’t see every message right away and immediately, and if a bit of time has passed, then I sometimes have the impression, well it’s already resolved anyway, I don’t need to respond to that anymore now. But please don’t take that personally, so you place it correctly too. That’s simply important to me personally. It just always has something to do with this flood and with daily tasks and time management too. And in one place or another, even if it’s not easy, I’ve also had to and been allowed to learn over the years. Whether that’s good is another topic. But to just let this or that stand sometimes and not respond to it. That’s not a criticism of the person. That’s not “something didn’t sit well with me or didn’t taste right” or anything else, but rather sometimes has completely different backgrounds too. And I just want you to not take that personally, but to place it correctly accordingly instead.
Exactly. It’s also important not to criticize people. I already reacted quite vehemently to that in one of the rooms recently, I think, and immediately made that clear too, because there was a person in the chat who brought in corresponding messages. I think overall we manage that very, very well too. Nonetheless it’s of course also part of the room rules, that’s why I’m picking it up too. So please make sure, no criticism of the person. It may be that you have a different opinion, see certain things differently. Then please exclusively on the content level. Yes, so on the content level we can always say, I see that a bit differently, or I’d like to open up a different perspective on that, that it’s appreciative. And then we can leave that opinion standing too, we don’t have to accept it either, even if it’s maybe a completely different one. But maybe it also moves us forward, and that’s why it’s definitely valuable too. But the moment that switches and goes to the personal level, that has no place in this room. There I’m also radical about that. Then sometimes messages get deleted, depending on what kind of messages those are in the chat, then it can be that one person or another also gets blocked accordingly. Overall I’d already communicated that I’m also very careful, especially on Clubhouse, about whom I block or don’t block, because it has the consequence that if we might be together in other rooms, one person or another maybe can’t get in there if the other person is on stage too or similar. And that’s why I think that, and this isn’t just directed at us but also at all of you again, to always think twice here too, do I really have to completely block this person or similar, because it can also have consequences for the other person. Just as much the other way around too, you could also be affected, where you then can’t get into certain rooms at all anymore, and I don’t find that fair either. But if it has a certain vehemence or is really extreme regarding certain points, then that’s happened in the past too, and it will certainly happen in the future too, I can’t rule that out, but then it has good reasons. And then it’s usually also not a one-time thing, but also something that’s already happened multiple times, which leads to making this decision. And it’s always a weighing thing too, and here too of course an individual decision. Ultimately I can, in quotes, always only make the decision for my rooms at that point.
Then please no self-promotion in the chat, also with posts, in comments or otherwise, because we don’t just have this Deep Talk situation here, but we definitely also have, well, what do I know, we had this recently, an author gets announced and then someone does self-promotion for themselves in the comment. That’s a no-go for me. So if someone is interested or something, then gladly message them and maybe ask about it there, or however. Then we can talk about it again too, or I respond to it or don’t respond to it. But it’s not the right place to do that in the chat, along the lines of “I’m inviting myself to the authors’ breakfast” or “my book is also great.” That’s nice, but it’s not the right setting for it. And that’s very, very important to me personally, whether that’s our authors, who are experts, whether you’re the speakers here on stage, that you always get the corresponding stage too, when someone is currently up, in quotes, and then no distractions or anything else take place in this context at another point. Anyone who wants to self-promote is warmly invited to create their own rooms, build their own community, however. That’s all legitimate. That’s fine. But I don’t want that in my rooms, and I also don’t want that under my posts or such as a comment. And those are, for example, things where it can definitely happen. And please don’t be surprised then. Then you just know, if a comment simply gets deleted or a message in the chat also gets deleted sometime, that you’re not surprised by that.
The same applies, please also enjoy with caution, to third-party links. That has to do with my quality standard. Here too you can of course go into evaluation, find it really good, bad or whatever. This is like, if you want to recommend someone for example, I find it great if that’s done via spoken word in Deep Talk, yes, then the other person also has the opportunity to research again. Sometimes people also ask, can you write the name in here again, so you gladly bring the name into the chat again too. But especially with links or such, please be careful there. Best not to include any links at all, unless I invite you to, warmly, saying, hey, can you, do you maybe have the link handy right now, then go ahead and put it in the chat. Because here too, many are harmless, but here too there are always certain things where I then think, whether that’s really so recommendable, I don’t know at that point. And because my quality standard is personally always very, very high, and I can’t always know what’s behind something or such. I mean, it’s something else whether I might recommend a classic book, which really, what do I know, Watzlawick for example, which is really a classic or something. Or whether it’s now some, well, maybe a YouTube contribution I saw recently, which I personally find really great. That’s somehow on a completely different level, in quotes. For something like that you can gladly then, and I invite you to that warmly too, I say, networking is also important, coming into exchange is really important. If, for example, someone said something in the room and you have the feeling, I found that important, I’d like to get the link to that or similar, then you can message this person afterward too and have them give you this link, for example. So there’s nothing against that. Quite the opposite, I find that even great, especially because then we also have an occasion to maybe contact the other person and get to know them personally too.
Then another aspect that’s important to me, I think you probably feel similarly, is also paying attention to long or longer word contributions, that the word contributions don’t get too long, don’t jump from one thing to another and open up a thousand side stories that basically have nothing to do with the topic or overarching theme at all. So really always paying attention here too, to stay disciplined on the topic to some extent, always leading back, always building the bridges yourself too, and formulating questions really as questions. I notice that sometimes too, especially at the authors’ breakfast or such, when we have an expert or such with us, that a lot gets told, but the question then doesn’t really properly follow afterward. So what’s the concrete question? Also paying attention to that accordingly in the formulation.
Then I’d also like to briefly raise awareness that in the expert moderation I also have a different role. And that’s maybe also possibly the reason in one place or another why individual people maybe also feel invited to tell a whole lot themselves too or similar. So it’s really important that we stay on topic and don’t get into this narrating mode, so to speak. In my role in expert moderation, that’s not pure moderation, but rather I — on one hand I moderate the room, on the other hand I also go in with content impulses. I build the connections, also establish them. And it’s quite important there that I always, after word contributions that come from you — that’s also the background for why I do that — that I always pick out the aspects again, that I maybe summarize this or that again, that I then maybe give a few new impulses in again too, to also drive this exchange forward again, so to keep this engine running, and at the same time also build bridges again toward topics we’ve already opened up before, rooms we’ve already treated on certain topics, to also activate neural networks, to go into repetition too. That means, this has here both a didactic and methodical and content purpose, in the context of learning and learning processes that also take place here in the rooms then. So that you can place that accordingly too.
I usually turn off the hand signals between a quarter to and ten to, to make sure we manage to round off reasonably punctually too. Of course it can happen that it’s obvious the closing round turns out relatively short or something. But here too there are things you sometimes don’t even notice, namely what’s in the planning. So it can be that in the background there are still notes lying on my table, so to speak, for the announcement of the next room, the bridge to the next author or similar. And so please don’t be surprised here either, along the lines of, well it’s only one person anyway, but rather here too, that this timing aspect keeps getting steered by me too. So if someone would like to join, best to give a hand signal in time too, most preferably before quarter to, so to speak. Otherwise you can of course still raise your hand and see whether I still take you into account or not. So I don’t want to rule that out either. It’s not that I always cut it off exactly at quarter to or ten to and turn off the hand signals then too. Usually it’s like that, and if I then no longer consider a word contribution, so to speak, a hand raise, then please don’t take that personally either, but rather also so you can place it and understand it, that it has other backgrounds, that time is too tight or similar, and that’s why I then no longer consider it.
Quite generally, once more, that the rules of the room per se aren’t up for discussion. There are always various backgrounds and experiences that contribute, whether this is a training context, whether this is now a coaching context, or whether this is now Deep Talk Club. There are always backgrounds and experiences that contribute to us deciding how we decide. I’d like to underline this again, that doesn’t mean one approach is right, the other approach is wrong, but these are always very personal decisions too, and in that sense also, that simply as rules, so to speak, that can gladly be accepted as they are, and if I decide to belong to the room, to be there, to be part of it, depending on whether I just listen, whether I want to go on stage, then to take these things into consideration accordingly too.
This might now sound a bit harsh possibly, because I just recited all the rules of the year like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, basically now, all one after another, and that’s why I’d also like to emphasize one thing or another again too, and in the other direction. Namely, I think that very, very much is already running very, very well. And just because one thing or another isn’t a hundred percent in one place or another. And those aren’t always things that happen constantly or something either, but they’re small things that I’ve also picked up again today, that I’ve maybe noticed a few times, where I’d like to raise awareness again. But overall I think everything is really running super well, that it’s great. And for that I’d also like to thank you all very, very warmly again. Namely I’d like to thank you all, overall, that it’s really already very appreciative and at eye level. I think a really, really familiar framework really develops here. You can see that too, in that sometimes very personal stories also get shared, where it’s anything but a given that we really talk about that with each other here so often. By now we have a recording running in the background. Everything gets published, in quotes. And still, and precisely because of that, we need this framework at eye level, and this staying on the content level, not getting personal and so on. That makes it all the more important, so we can also form this confidential framework here. And I find that really great work done by each individual here too. And that’s anything but a given. I appreciate that, I see that, I know that, and that’s why it’s also important to me to really put that into words too, today alongside all the room rules, and to highlight that again too.
Then there’s the communication that takes place in the chat. Yes, often even without me asking for it in any way. So things like technical challenges, where recently I asked for support. Thank you again too to those who chipped in with that. In many places it’s also the case that in the background, in quotes, I might not think of it in the moment or something, and the sound, and I might have, or I’ve already muted myself, then someone new comes in, asks a question, then the others react to it. And those are also aspects, that you also chip in among yourselves, to inform, to create transparency, so no one is surprised and so on. I find that great too, this really contributing yourself here too. And yes, so that it sometimes doesn’t even need to be communicated and that it comes from you. For that really, really a big thank you here too, so that someone who joins later isn’t surprised or thinks, that’s a technical problem. I hear, I might not have sound, because the others might hear and I might not hear. You know that, then you’re maybe a bit irritated. Then also once again a really, really heartfelt thank you here too really to everyone who chips in here, especially in the mornings too, those who first jump up on stage to jump to my side, to really get into the dialogue and open up a reflection space, so that no silence arises on the recording afterward or similar. Some also have difficulty enduring silence. I can do that quite well. Nonetheless I always find it a shame when we just let so many minutes pass, in quotes, without then, toward the end, time is sometimes lacking too. So in that sense I’m happy about that too. And I am too. That’s something I really see and value.
Sometimes we have situations where people come into the room and then jump directly onto the stage, because they see no one’s there, because they know, okay, this is important, and then let themselves be picked up first. I also find that funny, find it cool, and would like to underline that again. Thank you so much. And I also know, and I also see the others. There are also many who like to listen, who have also already sent me messages about that or send them, along the lines of, I maybe I don’t dare to go on stage. That means though, I’m still grateful for those who come on stage, for those who chip in and so on. So maybe that as feedback too to those who really chip in here on stage, that this feeling also doesn’t arise, along the lines of, it’s always the same people speaking or something. There are definitely also many who really prefer just to listen, because they possibly don’t dare to come on stage. You’re of course always warmly invited anyway, maybe especially to use this trusted small framework here, to try one thing or another for yourselves too. You’ll see it’s all half as wild. And this invitation is always there, so maybe here to step out of the comfort zone. If you want, you can communicate that accordingly then too, but you don’t have to. You also don’t need to think too much about it, but rather maybe just use it as an opportunity and join in too. Maybe it’s also a nice opportunity to really practice that yourself too, in quotes. But it’s also completely fine if one person or another decides to continue simply just listening, in quotes, maybe also bringing in chat messages and so on. So all of that also has its place and space at this point too.
Yes, of course I also see all the screenshots of rooms with lots of little hearts or otherwise, which get sent to me in the background too, because I maybe didn’t think of it myself right then and others here in the room quickly took a screenshot, so to speak, and send that over, along the lines of, maybe you want to capture this moment too. So many, many small gestures that come from you at this point too, also via messages, which I’m very happy about too. And I keep mentioning it, I’m a very, very strong observer at this point. And these things naturally catch my attention too, and I value them a lot too, and for that also once again a really, really heartfelt thank you. And actually, I don’t always have the time to take care of screenshots. Not always the time. There are simply far too many things I take care of at the same time, also with moderation, the concentration, the technology running in the background and so on. So I’m actually very, very grateful for such gestures too.
Exactly, then we had that. Then I also find it great, for example, that we’ve had for quite some time now all these emojis, I find that totally nice too, whether that’s on stage or whether that’s really while listening. Especially pay attention to that too, please, when we have experts or authors on board too. Sometimes it’s the case that then there’s only one word contribution or something. That’s completely fine too. There don’t need to be several word contributions either. But keep in mind that the author, for example, might be in the room for the first time or something. They then, they’re also totally happy about the resonance. So even if I might not think of it or something toward the end of the room, you’re welcome to just leave emojis, and many of you also use the opportunity, for example via the chat, to say thanks again too, or mention, I ordered the book or something. I can tell you, yes, we all always need positive feedback too. So in that sense every one of us is happy as a clam about that. And that of course applies to our experts and our authors too.
Exactly. So. I also find it nice, exactly, I noted that too, yes, that you observe here too, and I find that totally nice in the sense of reflection too, yes. That means, sometimes it’s not just the content things that happen here, but maybe things happen on the side stage too or something. And you’re involved in that too, observing this or that maybe too, whether something happens in the chat, whether something happens on stage. And here too messages definitely reach me. Here too I don’t respond to every message. Especially in the sense of neutrality I also try to actually discipline myself there too, hold back too. So I won’t always comment on that or something. But I also find that nice, even when here, for example, it’s all happened before and happens regularly too, when someone has observed something and notices, oh man, I can imagine that maybe gnaws at someone, if that’s in the chat or something, and reacts to it and sends a personal message. I don’t always react to that. Nonetheless, we’re all human. Nonetheless, although we always have situations, me too, where I might let something or someone annoy me and don’t show that outwardly, but those are still things that of course still keep having an effect in the background. So in that sense too, even if I don’t always react to that, also in the sense of neutrality, don’t always react to it and show no reaction to it, I still perceive it, and it does me good too. So thank you for that at this point too. And you can sometimes not even imagine everything that runs in the background. And this isn’t meant as a complaint now. I think we can also look at that with humor. Yes, and I find all of that really, really valuable and appreciate that too. And so I’m overall very, very grateful for what we’ve created here together and jointly too. And that’s certainly the reason why many of you come back, why we’ve arrived at room 852 and it’s still an open end and it continues. So in that sense a really, really big thank you, a really, really big praise. And even if one thing or another maybe, well things get human sometimes too, there have also already been situations here on stage where it maybe didn’t go quite so smoothly. That’s part of it too. And we’re allowed to make mistakes too. We’re allowed to make mistakes together too. I’m also allowed to make mistakes sometimes, and we’re welcome to talk about that too and take a look. And you’re always warmly invited to still send your feedback. Just so you place it correctly too, if I don’t establish a reference to it or similar or don’t respond to it, don’t take that personally.
Yes, and with that I’d like to use the opportunity now to look at a few topic collections toward the topic collection. And so you’re very, very warmly invited to join and take another look. We always have, from time to time, opportunities where we, and you can of course also just send those in. That doesn’t necessarily have to be here on stage and together. Whether you do that via the chat or whether you send it in outside these times, so to speak, that always gets taken into consideration too. Ultimately the framework here too. I always look at how it fits in, whether it fits in, at what point. It can sometimes take weeks or even months until a topic gets picked up too. It can also happen that something gets forgotten. So you can definitely also repeat something you’d already said before, or similar. I’d already announced that we’ll continue day after tomorrow, so to speak, with the next topic, with the overarching theme Pioneering Spirit with Brain, so to speak. So I’m picking up my slogan there, and under that we’ll pick up and consider a whole lot of different technical aspects, innovations, but also connections, political connections and so on. And so I’m really looking forward to how it continues then too. Maybe that as an announcement again for those who weren’t there yesterday and missed that.
And yes, and otherwise I’m really curious now. Is there anything currently occupying you a lot in terms of topics, where you say, oh, wouldn’t that maybe be something? So it’s not at all about — often we might also have the feeling, I don’t know if that’s really a topic that needs to be treated in Deep Talk now. But maybe there are topics that generally occupy you in everyday life, so to speak, where you say, maybe we have there, because often it’s the case that we just set the room title and then just open the room and then see together what comes out of it. And many of us also keep confirming that we wouldn’t have thought the room would go in this or that direction. So in that sense it maybe makes sense to bring in this or that topic where you maybe can’t really place it for yourself, does it make sense or is it something you can really talk about for an hour or something. But maybe there are also aspects that I could then also pick up in the planning at another point, where that maybe doesn’t play a role as a room topic, but at least as an aspect maybe again or similar. So in that sense I’d simply be happy about that at this point. And in that sense you’re very warmly invited to join too. Here too again a reminder, our three small rules, a profile photo where you’re clearly recognizable, first and last name, and at least one sentence in the bio, simply to make sure it’s not some Clubhouse trolls, but seriously meant contributions. And in the sense of fairness I can gladly add that again too. And so I’m just curious now. And now I’ll also look in the chat, whether there’s maybe something there. But no, I don’t see anything now. How does it look? Is there, yes, Marc joins, then let’s take a look. A wonderful good morning, dear Marc.
Good morning to the round. What’s still really on my heart, dear Yasemin, namely a thought occurred to me, I’m, well I’m basically endlessly grateful to you that there have been so many rooms. For me these rooms offer real added value, and that’s also what we should all pay attention to, because these rooms will only continue to take place in the future if you feel comfortable, because you’re the host. So you also have to feel very, very comfortable, not just us, but you too. And that’s why I find it wonderful that you summarized all of that again this morning. In some points I recognized myself, in some points I’d also like to develop further and pledge improvement too. And so thank you for the summary and the assessment and also for the improvement suggestions. Because if you say what occupies you too and how you feel more comfortable, then all of us who are here can also work on ourselves and make the room even more pleasant and even nicer.
Thank you, dear Yasemin.
Yes, thank you so, so much. And Marc, are there still aspects in the direction of topics? Do you have something there?
Yes, I’ve really thought about it for a long time, actually, about what I wouldn’t like, if it became a rambling room, and a rambling room happens when — I think that’s always a really, really big balancing act. There are very many topics that occupy us. I’m occupied by the topic of migration, I’m occupied by the topic of pensions, and there are so, so many topics. But the art, and that’s why I value your rooms so much, the art from you as moderator is that these rooms don’t slip into an emotional talk, because we can’t solve certain problems, all of us, because if they were that easy to solve, then other people would do that too, then we’d be among those solving them. But this shift in perspective, that’s the real added value for me. What you said yesterday, for example, with the press, where it became clear to me that we people, that we tend to perceive the message from people we find likeable, especially in the political area, as more true, that’s an added value for me, to pay attention to that, to also listen again to people I don’t find as likeable and see what message they have. Or with the press, that specific thing, I noticed how the press works, that certain articles, for example, don’t appear in the press. Small example I engaged with, in Ukraine it’s only reported, so nothing political now, but in Ukraine it’s only reported how brave the people are and that they’re fighting for their freedom, and then I just thought, but what doesn’t get reported in the press is that many people also try to flee and that they can’t leave, and that there are no press reports at all that there’s also conscription there too, and you’re forced, and not everyone does it voluntarily and so on and so on, and by that I don’t mean shining a light on the political topic, but simply directing the perspective. We have freedom of the press, but some articles don’t appear here, and that’s what I like about the rooms, that you keep managing and give us guidance to change our own perspectives and say, aha, I hadn’t noticed that, interesting, let me look at that more closely. Thanks for that too, dear Yasemin.
Yes wonderful, thank you so, so much. Layla, a wonderful good morning. Do you have topics we could still pick up?
A wonderful good morning. Yes, I just thought about it, I put myself in your role, because I also often hold that role, and then I thought, leadership isn’t easy. Leadership is important, and I’m very grateful to you, I wanted to say that at this point now, for your rooms, because for me they’re a mental fireworks display, that’s great. I’m also grateful to you for the steering, and I’ve already told you that, because you create so much transparency, that’s incredibly good. And sometimes you have to steer people too, so they get a certain direction, so it doesn’t, like Marc said, then get rambled about. And you always have to be careful not to put yourself too much in the focus, otherwise you have the feeling you’re talking about yourself. No, but also, and there the steering is quite good. That’s why, how do you lead people, and how important is sympathy and antipathy, and what do you discuss and what not? Because I’ve thought internally too, Yasemin, when do I ask you follow-up questions that are transparent, that aren’t meant as criticism, especially about the links I wanted to ask something, and about the topics, and then I thought, yes, but I don’t want to relitigate your statements, because I know they’re not up for discussion, and this shouldn’t be a discussion either. And then I thought, leadership isn’t easy. How do you do that? And then I thought, yes, I learned that. Yes, I did. And still I like to learn from you. That would be a topic that would really interest me.
Oh yes, wonderful. Thank you so, so much. And Layla, if you have a follow-up question in the sense of a comprehension question, for example now about the links, then you can of course ask me that question too. There too, and I don’t have an answer to that, I don’t know, is of course the question, do we do that here in the room, or do you maybe send that to me afterward again? Maybe just send it to me afterward, and then I can respond to that accordingly too. Gladly. So that’s not discussing the room rules, but rather it’s really a comprehension question, and that’s totally legitimate, to talk about comprehension questions at this point again too, because it also gives you the opportunity to place that even better, and better for yourselves too, at this point. Thank you so, so much for that. And I’ll take note of the leadership topic. Maybe, I don’t know if that’s relevant for everyone somehow. Maybe someone would also like to say something about that again later in the cross-connections, whether something like, I mean, moderation and leadership, they’re also directly connected. Maybe we’ll do something in that direction too, to also exchange experiences or similar. That would maybe also be a possibility, to actually come into exchange under this aspect of leadership and moderation, so to speak. There are certainly really, really many experiences in this room too, where many of you can also share many experiences, so to speak. And there too it’s not about right or wrong, but basically about looking. And everyone can then look for themselves what helps them further at this point too, to take that away. So I find that a nice idea, Layla, thank you for that.
Yes, then let’s just continue with Klaus. A wonderful good morning.
A wonderful good morning from a rainy Corfu. Dear Yasemin, I don’t know if this room is right for the topic I’m bringing here. If not, tell me. But I followed Annalena Baerbock’s press conference in Saudi Arabia yesterday, and I don’t know how much further my dismay should grow and how many more faux pas she should step into. I’d love your opinion on that, if you followed it.
Yes, thank you so, so much for your question. Since this now, and that would now be, for example, something really classic, we have today’s topic of the room, it’s room rules and topic collection, so to speak. So today it’s not about talking about topics content-wise. So it doesn’t fit in for me at this point right now. I can understand that this topic occupies you. That would maybe rather be in the direction that this is not so much an opinion, so to speak, giving you a content-related response right now and coming into exchange here. But if you say you find such topics very moving too, and wouldn’t that also be something we could pick up here in Deep Talk too and talk about quite generally, then that would be, so to speak, in the sense of a topic suggestion, and then we could take that in and process it too. Is that okay for you, Klaus?
Of course, thank you so, so much. I’ll keep collecting.
Great, thank you. Thanks, thanks, thanks. Raphael, a wonderful good morning.
Yes, morning Yasemin. Good morning to the round. Well, it would first be presumptuous of me to name a topic, because I don’t participate quite so regularly. But, especially what Klaus said, what would interest me there would simply be the whole role behavior of people. That means, you come in with steady growth into various roles, and at some point, if you’re named Annalena or Robert or whatever, you come into some roles where you’re suddenly somehow in politics or something. And to observe behavior patterns and so on there, from the neuronal side, what does it actually need, or what basics do you need, or what could you start with there. That would interest me.
Yes, wonderful. Thank you so, so much. And that also fits the topic of leadership and moderation, I think by the way, because there too we definitely have very different roles. And regardless of whether it’s self-leadership, moderating a group, leading others or similar, we have exactly all these different roles that play a role here too. Roles that play a role.
Yes, great. Exactly. So I’ll gladly pick that up too. So I’ve noted it. I find that a nice aspect, and then also looking in the direction of behavior patterns and such. I find that highly exciting, and it also goes in the direction of, for example, aspects like professionalism, tensions and dilemmas we’re allowed to deal with and so on and so forth. And how do I behave, in which contexts, in which roles, with which tasks, and what does it also do to me as an individual? I find that topic very, very exciting. Thank you.
Sabine, a wonderful good morning.
A wonderful good morning. Yes, I’d also of course like to thank you very warmly again for everything you do, even though I’m not always actively there, and that sometimes is hard too, when there’s already a call or something in the morning after jogging, but I always like to listen. I wanted to, regarding topics, it fits a bit with what Raphael just said, being political without being political. So I keep encountering events, for example at the chamber of industry and commerce, they’re not allowed to express themselves politically. But what they bring up, in my opinion, is very often very political. Only they don’t call it red or black, but the opinion, okay, if they’re entrepreneurs, then it often goes in one direction. And I find that quite difficult, because that’s not just in public, it’s also often in circles of acquaintances. We had visitors this week, and that was also about the topic Ukraine, Russia. That almost got a bit heated. There’s often also, that something might well be right, but it’s the wrong direction. So this being political without being political would interest me too. And a second topic that would interest me a lot, which also affects me a bit myself, the topic of wellbeing, and as a basis health and nutrition. So I’ve changed a few things for myself a bit. I feel considerably better. And I think that’s something many, many people simply encounter too late, that you have to work on yourself earlier, so that you can also be happy and feel good hopefully into old age. Those would be the two topics I’d throw in now.
Yes, wonderful, thank you so, so much. And that’s noted too, also against the backdrop of holism, so to speak, again in the direction of health and nutrition too. There’s always a bit of the question, how far are we the experts there, in quotes, but definitely picking up this or that too. And I also have aspects from brain research here, by the way, also regarding nutrition, where there are really interesting and nice research findings. And something like that can definitely be shared and talked about too, and illuminated from various perspectives too. Thank you so, so much.
I saw, Layla had, was that, I was just about to ask. I only heard the sound of someone briefly twitching, so to speak, but didn’t see it. I think that was you, Layla.
Exactly. Look, Yasemin, now I’m grateful again for your steering, because I thought, because when there’s talking here, then a fireworks display happens in my head, and I’m still with Jürgen, who said I and we, then I’m with the article you mentioned, or I think you’d written one. And what I keep thinking is this, the individualized society, the escalated society, from I to we, viewed historically. We in the responsibility for all events, that it’s no longer looked at systemically at all, that’s something that occupies me a lot right now, that we always search for someone to blame, that we, as Münchhausen said, should pull ourselves out of the swamp by our own hair, and that responsibility is no longer sought systemically, because we’ve historically moved away from that and now see our individual responsibility. And that’s why, I and we maybe as a big topic and working through individual points here, I’d find that very exciting, because I think an individualized society is something very nice. But I think that we currently have a development where it goes in a direction where we maybe search too much for someone who’s guilty and who has the responsibility, also systemically, to change things, which might be more sensible under certain circumstances. I hope I could summarize that briefly, concisely and well.
Yes, wonderful. Thank you so, so much. Yes, we’d already touched on one thing or another somewhat on the side in the last few days. That came up, I don’t know now whether you were there for the individual rooms. That already shimmered through in one place or another as a topic. We’ll spin that further in this direction too toward the end, in connection with Pioneering Spirit with Brain, under this overarching theme. Especially from this, so on one hand innovation and progress and so on, the various, let me say hard skills, tools and so on that are available to us. Here on one hand looking at it a bit more technocratically, then on the other hand what does it do to me or what does that mean, and then re-establishing these connections, and then also looking at it again on the societal-political level too. So in that sense I can well imagine that it’ll run exactly in this direction too, and then exactly these aspects, how much individualization, how much communally-thought self-determination is also necessary. On the other hand we’re also within aspects like systemics and so on. That means, I think that, but I can put an eye on that then too, that we really create this room for that too, so to speak. I find that great, find it relevant too. Thank you so, so much for that.
Yes, I’m just looking a bit at the clock. We’re at 9:50am now. We could briefly do a closing round today too. Since we haven’t really gotten into content exchange, I think that’ll be possible relatively briefly and concisely too. Tomorrow I’d like to, and I’d like to announce that again, I’d like to do something with you. I know that, well the room tomorrow is called experiences and reports. And what I have planned for tomorrow is the following. I know that many of you are regularly here too. You’ve also already used various offers for yourselves, whether that’s a book order, whether that’s a sample reading, whether that’s a coaching session that was used, or simply participation in Deep Talk. There are many, many occasions where you’ve had contact with me in some way, so to speak, worked together, and similar. I know that this often slips through, gets lost in everyday life or however. Nonetheless such evaluations and similar are important for us, in quotes, so really to have a kind of experience report or similar too. And since that keeps slipping through in everyday life, not everyone of you actually does that, I thought that tomorrow we’d do a room reserved exclusively for bringing in your experiences and reports. So to what extent, and that’s now the description of the room, to what extent has working with me and the Deep Talk Club with all its facets moved you forward? And I’d like to gather that with you. And since the whole thing gets recorded too, you can maybe pull a quote out of it in one place or another, or similar. And so I’d like to use this opportunity tomorrow at this point too, so to speak in my sense, in the sense of my progress, to also capture one thing or another in the direction of testimonial thinking. To capture this or that simply in interview style, so to speak, here, and whoever feels like it is warmly invited to join tomorrow too. I’ll also pick up contributions via the chat and then accordingly on stage too, if you want to say something yourself about it, then we’ll have used a room for something like that, and I hope for your understanding at this point. And that’s this “I always look at how you can shape these things time-efficiently and so on,” and I think that probably suits you too. And one person or another likes to share their experiences too, and I’d like to capture that tomorrow, so to speak.
Exactly, and with that we’ll move into the closing round right away too. I wanted to briefly mention, I also saw Ismail, your message too. It would be interesting, a room about PNL. PNL, I don’t know exactly what PNL is. Maybe you can say something about the abbreviation. I also find very interesting, physical communication with examples. If I’m not mistaken, only 12 percent of communication is content. Maybe there was already a room about that.
No, we haven’t had such a specific room about that, but also regarding this breakdown, how much is actually audiovisual and so on and so forth. You probably mean NLP, you probably mean NLP, I’d assume now. Because it says NPL there. Neuro-linguistic programming. Is that what you mean? I’ll ask briefly again and wait briefly again. Yes, exactly, NLP. Neuro-linguistic programming. I can gladly pick that up as a topic too, especially since there are interesting findings there from brain research too, regarding the proportions. And there too there’s, in quotes, information available to us on the market, so to speak. But that’s partly outdated, and it might be quite nice to look at that from this perspective again too, what the latest findings are in this context, so what the current state of research and knowledge is.
Great. Yes, thank you so, so much. Then a brief closing round. Marc, Layla, Sabine, is there anything you’d like to add, highlight or similar?
There’s nothing to add to that. It’s also very important to me, dear Yasemin, with your moderation I personally feel very, very comfortable in your room, because with you there’s absolutely no risk of being attacked on stage somehow, dissed, or simply looking bad here and leaving the room with a bad feeling. And that’s why I love your rooms. Thank you so, so much for your attention and your mindfulness. And a nice day for everyone.
Yes, wonderful. Thank you so, so much. Layla.
Yes, since I can’t be there tomorrow, I can tell you that you move me forward a lot in my work and my topics. And I thank you for that, because it’s nice to also see on the meta level how leadership works. In conclusion I’d like to say, leadership isn’t easy, and it’s very necessary. Thank you for that, Yasemin.
Thank you so, so much, Layla. Sabine.
Yes, I’d also like to thank you warmly again, and especially, you don’t just do the topics theoretically, also practically. So when I leave your rooms, that always kind of resonates with me for a while, and I think about the topics again, especially here insight, reflection and and and, and so in that sense I take a lot away from your rooms. Thank you, and I also found it good that you did a rules primer today. Thank you, have a nice day.
Yes wonderful, thank you so, so much. Yes lovely, thank you for participating, for bringing in topics, also giving feedback again, and I’m definitely looking forward to tomorrow, experiences and reports, to what extent has working with me and the Deep Talk Club with all its facets moved you forward, that’s the question we’ll look at tomorrow. You’re warmly invited to join. I’d be happy about it. And in that sense I hope to hear from you again tomorrow morning at 8am, and I wish you a wonderful day for now, whatever you have planned today. Until then, ciao!
