Brain Food for Pioneering Spirits: After weeks of exploring insight and gaining insight from every angle, what actually stuck? In Room #851 of the Deep Talk Club, we look back together, weave the threads into a bigger picture, and connect it all to enlightenment, education, and the courage to keep questioning. Listen in on the examples that came up and the perspectives that emerged in dialogue…
Note: This session was recorded live in German as part of the Deep Talk Club, so the video above is German-language audio only. What follows is an English translation of the conversation, lightly edited for readability — the back-and-forth between the moderator and participants is preserved, but the original timestamps and speaker names have been left out.
I wish you a wonderful good morning. Today we’re talking about reflection and bringing things together. I’d already announced it, we’ve spent several weeks looking at and shedding light on insight and gaining insight as our overarching theme from various perspectives, and yes, since in the next few days we’re slowly moving toward a new topic, a new overarching theme, so to speak, I’d like to round the whole thing off by looking together today at what’s actually stuck. What have I taken away, what’s stayed in my memory? Let’s simply reflect together again and bring it all together accordingly. And fitting the aspect of insight and gaining insight, I also came up with something for you today. Because apart from the fact that it’s my mother’s birthday today, after yesterday being Mother’s Day, and today also being National Chocolate Chip Day in the US, I thought, well, we can sweeten the day a little too. So I brought you a link, and anyone who’s ever thought about doing coaching with me, or needs follow-up sessions or similar, can use the opportunity today to secure an exclusive twelve-hour business coaching bundle at half price. However, small limitation, it’s only valid exclusively today until 11:59pm. So anyone who’s actually playing with the idea should really take this opportunity for themselves. Yes, so much for that, and now I’m very, very curious. Let’s just gather. Something or other has probably stuck with one person or another, so we can maybe use the opportunity together. It’s not at all about bringing in a fully comprehensive summary or synthesis here, but really about looking at what aspects have stuck with you now, that you’ve taken away in connection with insight and gaining insight. And that way we can collect various aspects again and thereby look together at bringing it together, and yes, reflectively transition into a kind of rounding-off, so to speak. Yes, I’m curious who’d like to join this morning, and I’ll mute myself briefly accordingly and see who joins.
So, I’m relieved that Marc is at least speaking up. I already thought nothing had stuck with any of you. Marc, a wonderful good morning. What do you say about that?
I really thought about it for a long time, dear Yasemin, because there were so many rooms, and since I don’t have an overview and don’t write down the individual rooms, and it just fades from my memory — not the content, certain things are of course already stored — I really thought I’d have difficulties with the summary. But I can build on what we ended with, that’s always what’s most present, namely self-efficacy. And it went through my head again, self-efficacy, and there I came to the insight I’d already had before, self-efficacy is when we ourselves become effective, so when we ourselves get into action. And I thought about that in connection with all your rooms, and I came to the realization that all this knowledge — all of us here have the same knowledge and have access to the same knowledge — doesn’t help me at all, even if I’ve been in your rooms, if I don’t apply this knowledge. That means, if I don’t feel like changing something, so if I want to change something in the result, then I have to get out of my comfort zone every now and then. I have to try new things and have to have the desire to become self-effective, so to achieve something myself. And that’s also what’s become even more anchored for me in closing out the last few weeks, namely that our feelings influence our actions. And the actions influence our result. We had that in the room before too. And once I know that the central point, if I go back to the beginning, is the brain, so that we ourselves can influence what we think, how we bring the matter about, I make that conscious for myself every day, because that has the biggest influence on further results and then also on further action, because the action comes before the result.
Yes, great, thank you so, so much for this start. Yes, of course the last things we went through are also usually the ones we can access fastest. And that’s why I think it’s all the more important, really also in the sense of bringing things together, to look at that again and look at it together too. Yes, so self-efficacy, becoming self-effective, and one of the important aspects you just mentioned in this context was that it’s important not just to consume, so to speak, or to have the feeling of having created aha moments, so having gained an insight, that doesn’t per se on its own mean I get into action. That means gaining insight is certainly first something that’s worth gold, in quotes. But if I don’t do anything with this insight I’ve gained, then no change gets initiated in any form. And change doesn’t necessarily mean something has to be completely turned upside down. Those can also be completely small things, so to speak, that I use, apply in everyday life or similar. And to look at going into a certain kind of training here too, to gather experiences with it, and maybe as a result of that be able to gain new insights again. But if I only consume it, in quotes, and don’t do anything with it, then nothing happens at that point either. And I think that’s also first an important insight in this context. Marc, do you have further additions?
Yes, to pick that up again, wherever we stand today, each of us, wherever we are today, whether professionally or in a partnership, that’s a result of our action or also our inaction, in that others decided to leave us or fire us or whatever. And there are always two possibilities. Either we ask ourselves — I find that totally exciting — are we, with our wheel of life, I find that great too, because there are many areas, we’ve addressed this wheel of life once, with sport, with education, with partnership, with what have we done for our retirement and so on. And if everyone can say for themselves that all the spokes of their wheel are running 100 percent top, then I congratulate them, for me it’s not like that. There are still some spokes that need action and improvement. But if we then notice on one spoke, I’m not at 100 percent there, I’m not totally satisfied, there’s no reason at all to change something, to think about it, then I’m at that point because I’m responsible for that myself. I brought that about myself. And if I want to get to a different point, then I either have to change my actions, or also, what we discussed again over the weekend, I talked with my partner, this self-efficacy is also a model in science. It’s also applied in biology and other sciences, by asking questions, so by arriving at a result or searching for a result. And in science too the right questions are asked. The questions then get checked. Then it’s controlled whether you arrive at the result with the questions, whether the questions are sufficient to reach the result, or whether you have to ask the questions anew. And nothing else happens with the questions we ask ourselves, or ideally really in an exchange with a neutral person. I’ve had the experience, because an exchange with a neutral person, the way you just offered, dear Yasemin, simply has the effect for me, you don’t feel attacked. You don’t go into justification mode, but you basically give another person money and are then forced to tell them the truth mercilessly. If you don’t do that, so if you’re not willing to really engage with yourself, then this conversation doesn’t achieve anything either. There too the desire comes first, I want to change, I want to arrive at a different result. And that means engaging with ourselves. And the right questions help with that too. And I keep hearing that in you.
Good morning, dear Jürgen, I’m glad you’re here.
I keep hearing in you that you’ve really learned to put things so precisely, also with your questions. That it’s always a great pleasure for me to listen to you and be present in this room.
Yes, wonderful. Thank you so, so much. And it’s also nice that you’re picking up the wheel of life again. And here I’d like to go into this aspect of scaling and holism again too. On one hand the wheel of life is quite helpful because it doesn’t just focus on individual areas, so to speak, but opens up this range, to look at different areas of life. So whether that’s professional, health, private, friendship, family, whatever. And what I think is important again is to look at it in a differentiated way here too, because it’s not always about having 100 percent in everything, but especially when we work with the wheel of life here, it’s also very, very helpful to look, if we work with a scaling for example, it can be both an upward scaling and a downward scaling, for example, if I were to take, say, professional. And I’d notice, for me that’s on a scale of one to ten, an eight or nine. And on the other hand I maybe have health, for example at a four, likewise viewed on this scale, and I have the feeling that more needs to happen in the area of health. And on the other hand maybe professionally an eight or nine is too much. There maybe it should be less too. And that means, it’s not at all about always scaling to 100 percent, so to speak, but really also about looking at what actually fits for me. Where do I have the feeling that it’s too much, and on the other hand maybe too little, and making corresponding adjustments accordingly. And this wheel of life alone is also a nice example of a method suited for generating insights. That means, we can also quite specifically use methods, various methods that exist here, to derive insights from them for ourselves and thereby get into action for ourselves, so to speak.
A wonderful good morning, dear Jürgen. What do you say?
Good morning, dear Yasemin. Good morning, dear Marc. Thank you for your personal greeting, and a good morning to everyone in the room. I was offline for several weeks on this topic of insight. So there are corresponding gaps for me relative to you all. And from my current field of interest I’d like to draw a somewhat, but still a somewhat wider frame, dear Yasemin, and especially regarding the previous overarching themes we had. I’ve literally been kneeling, in the truest sense of the word, over a completely new and in my view spectacular biography of my favorite idol Goethe for several weeks now, and that’s also why it was a time when I withdrew a bit. And I take my corresponding notes there too, what’s important and what’s the insight from the time investment I’m putting in for myself. Let me read you a few keywords I’ve secured for myself thematically. And in the sequence, without a ranking, so without an evaluation. It’s a purely random sequence. Let me start with wisdom. Second, know thyself. Happiness, freedom, feeling, experience, humanity, symbol, education, and at the end a really essential point, human dignity. Those are — some of you will surely ask why I’m listing this. They are…
Very briefly, Jürgen, before you continue, could you please repeat that really slowly again, so we can really write it down for ourselves, for example, just to have it in front of our eyes.
Gladly. I’ll start with wisdom. Know thyself, self-knowledge. Happiness, freedom, sensuality, feeling, experience, symbol, education and human dignity. So far so good?
Okay, as I said, that’s a selection, let me say again, a selection of what I’ve secured for myself, and that stands — and that’s why I find this biography extraordinary too, I’ve already read quite a few about Goethe, but this one is extraordinary because it also runs under an overarching theme, at least in the first part. And this overarching theme is called cosmopolitanism and enlightenment. Cosmopolitanism, to explain, was for Goethe, just as it was for example for Schiller, and the first one who opened up this world of thought, Spinoza, the citizen of the world, the one who detaches themselves from what back then was still a far more specific and confined, let’s say, regional and national way of thinking, to become a cosmopolitan, someone who sees the world as their home. That’s why “home” trumps the concept of “state.” And in the end, and now I’ll come to my conclusion, what I’ve taken away as an insight, is that the truly original overarching theme even above cosmopolitanism is enlightenment, the era of enlightenment, under which finally also Leibniz and Humboldt, and there’s a very large and high number of renowned personalities, Rousseau for example, who did meritorious work for enlightenment, meaning for enlightening us humans about what we are and how we are within our environment. And that, dear Yasemin, that’s what I’m taking away now as an insight, and a very appreciative insight, that the sequence of your overarching themes over the last months basically stands, for me, as an expression of our enlightenment. And for that, heartfelt thanks.
Oh, I celebrate you, Jürgen. Thank you so, so much. Marc, what do you say to that?
I need to let that sink in first. I need a few minutes for that.
Yes, okay, great. You think about it, and in the meantime I’ll gladly build on that already. The others are of course also warmly invited to join and bring together their insights from the last weeks to some extent too. And I also find it really nice to choose a bigger umbrella, so not just to choose a kind of synthesis for our overarching theme of insight and gaining insight, but to connect an overarching theme with other overarching themes again too and look at it. And that’s basically what you did, Jürgen, expressing enlightenment as a further superordinate overarching theme above the overarching themes, so to speak, at this point. Yes, I find that great, because ultimately that’s really, I think, what sums it up. We had — I don’t know exactly if you were also at the authors’ breakfast yesterday, dear Jürgen, were you there yesterday?
Unfortunately I could only listen to the beginning and then lost the connection. I was very sorry about that, because I was very keen to participate.
Yes, then you’ll definitely hear it in the podcast when it comes out next Sunday, because here too we then have, on one hand, this individualistic level and then this shared, societal level and so on. So really building a lot of bridges again too. And it became clear there too that it has a lot to do with this enlightenment work and accompaniment work, so to speak, at this point. And that it always goes back to this term education. So we’ve established that again and again in the rooms here in the last days and weeks too, and also with the other overarching themes, that education plays a really essential role at this point, and with the educational mandate, so to speak, self-determination, self-efficacy, self-organization, and thereby, and this whole thing arose exactly in this time of enlightenment, so where people really thought about how the future needs to be shaped, in quotes, to enable that. All of that stems from this age of enlightenment. That means we have really great forward-thinkers on one hand, and at the same time I find it so important to realize this too, because especially with the developments, also at the political level and so on, I have the feeling — but you can maybe support that or maybe you see it differently — that it’s important here to see certain things we take for granted, which we maybe don’t even perceive that way anymore today because it’s become so “normal,” in quotes, so self-evident for us, and we, in quotes, haven’t fought that fight, at risk in one place or another too, against the backdrop of the developments taking place, or discussions taking place. And I think it makes sense to really go into a kind of reflection again here too. So where do we come from, how did the whole thing arise, so seeing the whole thing historically to some extent too, and also looking again at what that means in today’s time too. Maybe there are also adjustments needed in one place or another. But I believe it’s essentially important to understand and realize these connections, and to also do something with that with a view to the future. I don’t know what you say about that.
I’d like to add something to that right away, dear Yasemin, and put one more thing on top, an overarching roof above enlightenment, actually. Namely the insight that enlightenment doesn’t exist as a singular thing, but that enlightenment and all its components, its subjects, which it established in its early days in the 17th/18th century, are “moving targets,” of course also subject to the transformation of us and our time. That means the demand, not, or logically, arising from the ever-recurring questioning, examine everything with doubt, arising from the perpetual questioning, to drive forward a change, a positive change of these subareas and thus also of our enlightenment. That means our personal mandate, to always enlighten ourselves about who we are and where we stand and what we’re operating in, is, let me put it this way, a life mandate, a permanent mandate. And that’s actually also my motto. Examine everything with doubt, and especially examine yourself. Thank you.
Yes great, thank you so, so much. Marc, could you gather your thoughts?
Yes, Jürgen, you’re the one I want to hug, exactly. This examine everything with doubt and question everything. I don’t know how it is for you, and this shouldn’t go in a political direction now, but I’ve simply noticed that since that certain man was president in the USA, I’ve perceived a change in communication worldwide, and you have to say, thinking is also exhausting, and it’s sometimes easier to accept given answers, and it’s not about whether these answers are found sensible or make logical sense, but that serves a certain polemic, you belong to a certain group, and and and, and that’s why I find what you said, dear Jürgen, elementarily important, questioning, doubting and examining everything, that doesn’t mean being suspicious and always telling someone to distrust someone, but rather to keep asking the questions anew and always looking, do I arrive at the same answer or do different answers arise? And the second point, dear Jürgen, is that it impressed me a lot that you withdrew. And I find that totally important for myself too, that I have a break once a year or several times a year. And when I’m traveling, I don’t watch the news, I don’t read the news. I know that many terrible things happen in the world. But to find myself, to ask myself new questions and find new answers, that only works if I’m really self-efficacious, so only effective with myself and maybe with my companion, and move in nature or elsewhere, and clear my head completely, so switch off impulses in the sense of negative impulses. We’ve had that topic before too. And I find what you did, dear Jürgen, really, really great, was, we’re then on the road with ourselves. Whatever does us good ourselves. One person does the mountains, the other finds their recovery and their relaxation at the sea. It doesn’t matter for that either. But really clearing your head means also not filling the head with, let’s say, useless additional knowledge, in order to give yourself room to find new answers too. And that’s why it’s great, Jürgen, that you shared that with us, and you can also tell from your voice that you’re so energetically back on stage, which makes me very, very happy.
Yes, thank you so, so much. And also to build on that again, dear Marc, what you just said about the president — here too, we had, in the meantime, that wasn’t under insight and gaining insight but we treated that under a different overarching theme, we also had the media as the fourth estate. But I’d like to build this bridge again right here, also regarding insight and gaining insight, as a reminder, also here to activate our neural network again, so to speak, that a lot isn’t what it seems either. Especially what we consume in the media — and I don’t want to speak well of the president mentioned, in quotes, but especially if we look at other presidents of this country, if we look more closely, we’d find that a lot was steered through the media here too, and that during the time of a very popular president, who even received a corresponding prize for it, in this period a lot of wars were waged by this country during this time. And many aren’t even aware of that, because we’re also very strongly influenced through media as the fourth estate, in quotes. But the fourth estate in which direction actually, you sometimes have to ask, and not necessarily always what it seems to be. So maybe that as a reminder again. And in that sense this aspect Jürgen also addressed, this constant critical questioning, this critical looking at both the events around us, at what we get presented or handed on a silver platter, so to speak, and at the same time also regarding ourselves — so these two essential components that also play a really essential role here, would anyone like to build on that again?
Yes, this putting into doubt of course has, like everything, its two sides. And I’ll build the bridge there to knowledge and to education, which you rightfully really exposed, I think, dear Yasemin. For me it’s the essence of science, of any science, that basically the reservoir of doubt also increases through that. Namely, the more I know, the more — that’s my personal opinion — the more I doubt. Because if I work in a scientific context, then I have to prove my thesis, which I possibly put forward as a foundation, a thesis I set up, as for example Einstein did with his theory of relativity, I have to prove it. He proved it mathematically, and it wasn’t proven for years, so it didn’t become truth, and for many opponents also wasn’t part of our knowledge for a while. Only once it was proven, once this fact, once the thesis was definitively proven through an antithesis, did it become, in quotes, official knowledge. The effect was twofold. He reduced doubt, for example about the refraction of light, to absurdity. That exists, both space and light refract. But he also simultaneously opened new doors to doubt other traditional and handed-down so-called states of knowledge, based on this knowledge. And if you transfer that onto us and our current media world and information flood, then in the end — I see an absolute parallel here. We’re basically pushed, through the media flood in my view, into a constant doubt, but also manipulated into it, which under certain circumstances has no benefit for us at all, but rather — caution, personal opinion — is only meant to emotionalize and moralize us in a certain direction, or also meant to pacify us. But the cause of doubt, namely founded on knowledge and an expansion of knowledge, that, for me, and now I come back to what I heard, is actually the heart of the matter. Thank you.
Yes, thank you so, so much. And here technologization also increasingly plays a role now, though, that means we don’t just have media consumption, but the technologies that are in the background too, and in the next step, so to speak, we could also pick up something like AI-supported tools etc. again too. That means it’s not just a mass of information on one hand, and maybe also misinformation, through which we keep coming into this doubting, but now increasingly more and newer technologies are also being added, which shouldn’t be viewed separately on their own, but also again in the interplay, which also have a certain influence on that again too. And accordingly that’s also really, really exciting here too, and by the way also fits our next overarching theme. I don’t know, should I already reveal it, do you want to know? I need a sign. Yes, okay, alright. The next overarching theme we’ll tackle in a few days, there I pick up my own slogan, pioneering spirit with brain, and we’ll look at a whole lot of innovative aspects, so to speak, so everything that falls under technology, progress and so on, all the developments, whether that’s blockchain, AI and so on, everything possible in this context, and then look at that from various perspectives again and go deeper, up to also looking at it individualistically, societally and politically again too. And so I think it connects wonderfully here too, to pick up again on current events happening around us, so to speak, to look at how one thing or another is changing too. And here too education plays a really important role again, enlightenment plays a really important role. And especially the question we’ll connect to here too is this, how will learning change in the future? So that’ll also, I think, be really, really exciting again. I don’t know what you say about that. But Marc, I think you wanted to follow up earlier.
Yes, you picked up the media thing again, and all of us, as soon as we meet with another person, whether that’s our partner, whether that’s work colleagues or whether that’s politicians, then we’re in a symbiosis. And I came to that when you talked about the president, and I’m deeply convinced this checking makes sense also because we don’t even know whether the person opposite us tells us exactly what they want to say. Because through this symbiosis the person is forced to consider, what does my wife want to hear, what does my partner want to hear, what do my party colleagues want to hear, what do my voters want to hear, what do my lobbyists want to hear. And being critical and always looking at what relationship this person has, what symbiosis to other groups. And an honest conversation could actually only be had with ourselves, but as soon as another person joins, we already show consideration. And our statements and our conversations with a friend might be different than with a partner. And that’s how it is. And in public, if the focus of the public is so strongly directed at someone, then a certain person maybe can’t say anything except the conviction they have, but the person also pursues certain goals and has to apply certain strategies and so on. And that’s why it’s so important, dear Yasemin, I find that great, to really say again, regardless of whether — I took your statement — whether we find someone likeable or not, that doesn’t exempt us from critically questioning whether their actions and statements align with the values the person otherwise claims to have. And that’s why it’s so important, I think, to always stay alert. And not, for example, just because we find someone likeable, accept everything and say, yes that’s right, I find them likeable, so they’re doing it right, but rather being alert means being critical toward everyone, or critically questioning every statement, independent of the likeability of the other person.
Yes, thank you so, so much. And now one could of course also, playing devil’s advocate, ask the other way around, well okay, now we’re constantly in this doubt mode, always questioning everything, critically questioning. Where does the whole thing go then? Do we even still get into action at all, if we always just question everything, in quotation marks? Question mark, question mark, question mark. What do you say to that?
I’ll spontaneously say something about that, if I may, dear Yasemin. Namely, Goethe’s saying “examine everything through doubt,” or rather Faust says that, is basically another form of the earlier demand by Descartes, ergo cogito sum. I think, therefore I am. And this doubt stands for me, as a placeholder for thinking, not just with, or not with a negative connotation, along the lines of, everything that comes at me, I first put a big question mark on, is that true, but as the positive demand to do what distinguishes us as humans, namely to think. That’s a really essential connection for me, and I see it that way, examine everything through doubt, I believe that’s also my motto. Basically as a placeholder for thinking, for open-ended and unbiased thinking.
Yes, I find that wonderful. Thank you so, so much. Marc, I thought you wanted to follow up directly.
You can. That’s really sweet, I was unsure too. No, I think doubting doesn’t mean despairing. Thanks for your contribution, dear Jürgen. And I just think, this doubting, what Yasemin just said, what does it bring us if we always doubt? For me, I’d express it differently, for me doubting means rather that we never fully close a door. And even if a door is sometimes only open a hair’s breadth, that always reminds us to never completely close a door. And sometimes it’s wide open, sometimes it’s only open a crack, you should never completely close a door.
Thanks, dear Marc. Yes, I find that great. And then also as an addition, that what we’ve examined or thought about, so to speak, after some distance — that can also be temporal distance — that we maybe question this or that anew again, or think about it anew again. Because that was also one of the topics we picked up here, that these are sometimes just snapshots, depending on where we happen to be at that moment, and what’s stored regarding certain topics for us, for example, depending on what prior experiences we have, whether it docks or not. That means certain things also change in perspective then, because I have certain prior experiences, certain synapses develop further here, the strands, the connections that take place. And accordingly, if I look at the same topic again after a certain time, so to speak, I can quite well generate completely new insights again. And even in the context of historical aspects and so on. And that, by the way, I found that a really interesting aha moment for me during my dissertation. Namely, within my thesis, just to make this tangible, I presented a bit of the historical progression of where the term “coach,” “coaching” and so on actually comes from. And in a treatise, much later, I picked up this historical treatise I’d done before, one to one, and said, well, it’s basically inherent in the matter, so to speak, that this was a historical development that hadn’t changed, in quotes. And then there came feedback that was really quite fascinating, and I also find it very justified, to say, well okay, but that was at the time you looked at it. That means, even if the factual situation might not have changed, possibly the evaluation of it changes, for example, or the embedding, or in retrospect you recognize certain things anew in that context. And in that sense it would be very exciting, also with certain insights, with the current state, from today’s actual situation, to look at that again and see whether you maybe discover further aspects, or whether it’s identical one to one, or to what extent, or what specifically has changed. What do you say to that?
Yes, spontaneously, quite fundamentally what comes to mind, dear Yasemin, we could actually deliver a fireworks display of the classics today on all these topics. One that spontaneously comes to mind, “panta rhei” from Heraclitus, everything flows, and the other, well the other comparison, or the position, you never step into the same river twice with your feet, because it flows, and in that sense everything, and I’ll repeat myself here again, all positions of this said enlightenment, all subareas, all topics we’ve had in our overarching themes so far, and the overarching themes are positions, they flow and they change. And I’m completely with you.
And that’s, for me, now become a primary principle, to look at where it comes from and why it was, why people before the enlightenment weren’t enlightened. And then to draw the conclusion from that, are we, in comparison, thereby now more enlightened. I mean, just this comparison alone, and which necessarily requires an understanding of the conditions back then of course, but this comparison alone is again a justification for examine everything with doubt, from which I have to recognize, well I might not be as enlightened as I currently imagine myself to be, if I look with a somewhat turned-up nose at people from 200 or 300 years ago with their thoughts and with their self-understanding. Everything flows, everything changes, and not just me, but my surroundings too, and also my understanding, my level of insight from this comparison changes too. That’s why I say again, it’s a life task.
Yes, absolutely. And even if, through this comparison, we came to the result of saying, we’re more enlightened, we can also look into the future and probably, maybe even at this point already assume that from the future’s perspective, looking back, we might also have been considered less enlightened again. So this perspective exists too. And in that sense, yes, I find it nice, with this “everything flows.” And that also shows that if we look at one topic or another that we’ve chosen as an overarching theme or also as subtopics, even if that doesn’t necessarily need to be a long time, so if we look at it in five days, if we look at it in two months, or whenever, that we’d also keep coming to new insights again, because this river, so to speak, keeps flowing. Also in this round, also with what we’ve established today, and that keeps developing further, and that also has to do not just with the other influences that are there, the insights we might gather in other places too, but also through the overarching themes alone that we treat here and spin further threads, and thereby the perspective expands and changes again too. Maybe that as an addition again too. Yes, do you have further points you’d like to bring in, Jürgen?
I’d like to briefly jump in. Sorry, dear Marc. I’d like to briefly jump in and therefore also give back my hope, that you, dear Yasemin, bring together all this insight in some form and also make it available to all of us in some form. Because this isn’t flattery now. Everything that, no, I’ll say everything, everything that’s communicated in this room in this way, and how the topics are treated and which topics those are, has, for me, an extraordinary quality that’s worth — let me say again — securing for itself. And that’s my hope, that that happens. Thank you.
Yes, thank you so, so much. Marc, did you want to follow up on that too? Otherwise I would…
There’s nothing to add to that. You can’t express it better.
Wonderful. Yes, what should I say to that? On one hand we of course have the rooms that get recorded. And that’s already a huge step, I think, in that direction too, that at least everyone can, through the transcriptions that now exist, also deepen or extract certain things from the rooms afterward too. And I’d already hinted at this recently, and since it’s being addressed now, I’ll just pick it up, even though I hadn’t planned it for today at all. But it doesn’t matter whether it comes today or one, two days later. Yesterday we had room 850, and I always make sure that for some big anniversaries, so to speak, I keep saving up one surprise or another. For time reasons it’s not possible for me now to individually — and we didn’t record them in that sense either, the original rooms, you’ll only find that from more recently — to really bring that together again in detail from the rooms, and it would also be a lot of work, in quotes. But what I’ve decided, and I think this goes a bit in this direction too, and I hope you’ll be happy about it — we’ve been working on this for several weeks now, and it keeps getting bigger, is a so-called knowledge base that’s currently being created, with all sorts of technical terms, where it’s really about very different treatises. So it’s not just a glossary, there’ll be many, many connections, to spin this network behind it, so to speak. There are also term combinations like learning and education, for example, in there, to pick up exactly what we’re doing here to some extent too, in parts also taken up in there, so to speak, though not now with references to individual people or similar, but as a pure treatise in theory of course to some extent, but definitely also picking up practical tips and so on. And I’m currently working on it, and yes, that shows what value these networks ultimately have, in quotes. Here in the collaboration, so to speak, also the various — I decided to approach people with doctorates, because I’d also like to always ensure this scientific context, so not just the quality context, but also this scientific reference here, and I assume that if someone has done a doctorate, through the intensive engagement from this scientific perspective, they look at these topics quite differently and also interdisciplinarily. And that means, yes, some have already agreed, I haven’t asked everyone yet. I always do that on occasion in conversation, when we’re in exchange anyway. And that means, from my perspective something really great will emerge here. And that will certainly develop further too. Let’s see what all comes out of it. I’m very, very curious. In any case there’ll be here in the future a — and it won’t take much longer. I think it could be ready in hopefully a few days, so that we can at least start with a first draft, so to speak, so that there’s already something in there for every letter. And then the whole thing gets brought to life, so to speak, by continually making additions, and then everything gets linked with each other too, so you can always jump back and forth with corresponding sources, research findings and so on, whatever belongs to it too. And that’ll be a kind of, let me say, a little life’s work, I think. It of course has no end, how far do you take the whole thing. And the whole thing will be, under the overarching theme here too again, a knowledge base for Pioneering Spirit with brAIn. That means we’ll pick up aspects here that on one hand take neuroscience into account, new technologies, behavior, so also interdisciplinarily present these connections from the various perspectives too. And what’s personally important to me, and I hope we really succeed at this, is, of course you can always look at what’s actually true and what’s not true and similar, but especially also to create a platform where it becomes possible to make knowledge accessible in such a way that we largely, especially also the myths that exist in everyday life, don’t fall into these traps. Let me give an example, whether that’s routines that are supposedly formed in 21 days, which is absolute bullshit — sorry, sorry for the expression — and that’s why really doing quality work here, in quotes, and making sure that what’s in there is solid. And of course the state of insight also keeps changing too. That’s why it also has to keep getting updated and so on and so forth. Nonetheless, not just picking up something you find somewhere on the net, but making sure that what’s actually found here is valid and well-founded. I don’t know, maybe that as my thoughts and as my surprise for you, to you. And maybe you’d like to say something about that too.
And the whole thing is then called “Yasepedia,” right?
Ah yes, that would be a possibility, exactly.
Yes, how do you find that? Do you find it good?
Excellent. Hit the bull’s eye. That’s exactly the point, dear Yasemin. Securing that and making it available and making it a starting basis for further developments is basically — you might know the difference, the original difference, when we had the topic of work and how work will change. Work is one thing. The other form is the “work” [Werk, the created piece]. Something I create and that I can also transfer and make accessible to others. And in that sense that’s, as the missing link, your work. I find that extraordinarily good. Great.
Super, thank you so, so much. Yes, Marc, how do you find it?
I agree with that. What I particularly like is always this scientific background, and when it comes to not just blasting hypotheses out into the world, but showing what applied knowledge has achieved. And you said, today is the summary of the room from the recent topics. And for myself I can only say, the two terms that have stuck with me the most in the recent months, so that have the greatest significance for me, is the term “self-constructed reality,” a term I didn’t use last year yet, that makes a lot clear for me in conversations with others, in discussions too, this “self-constructed reality,” that you always make the other person aware too, of how that comes about, how we arrive at insights, that really helps. And the second term, which I closely connect with that, is evaluation. I’ve also thought about that word for a long time, about evaluation. And evaluation also makes it much, or for me personally much, much easier to communicate with other people again, because this evaluation makes it clear to me, some things aren’t so bad after all. I’m evaluating that. And then we’re back at unconscious bias. What you, what you engage with a lot, dear Yasemin, what role do we, open parenthesis, our brain, close parenthesis, play in that?
Thank you. Yes, thank you so, so much. And I’d gladly like to pick up a term from yesterday’s authors’ breakfast again too, which I also find very important in this context, namely self-incurred immaturity. We talked about that yesterday too. And especially now regarding the new technologies that are also becoming accessible to the broad masses, so to speak. So we had this in the past with the internet and so on too, information overload, is that knowledge or not knowledge, can I do something with it and so on, have we already had that in the past too. The whole thing is now, with these newer technologies, that don’t just work in the background, that are already there, and that we’ve already worked with consciously or unconsciously without knowing it in some cases, going to bring yet another huge change, another intensification again too. That means, here too again the look toward the future. What’s actually needed, or what’s allowed to change now, to get out of a self-incurred immaturity again, in quotes, or to place special attention on that here, to make sure we always establish maturity again and again, through education, through enlightenment and so on and so forth. So that’s a heartfelt wish of mine at this point, and these rooms also contribute to that together with you, and I’m also very, very grateful for that. And in that sense I’m totally curious how that develops further. I’m really looking forward to it. And in that sense we’ll also look at our room rules again tomorrow, and do a topic collection, to be able to add this or that again too. With the room rules, my primary concern is to present them transparently again to some extent, because one thing or another creeps in in a patterned way too, without us maybe being aware of it. I also know that it’s usually not meant badly or similar, but here too to really consciously go into transparency again, without these being up for debate, just to make clear once more what’s needed, where I also need your support, so that it can succeed even better with the moderation too. And that’s why I’d like to go into transparency again tomorrow, and then also use the opportunity to gather further topics too. Maybe there are topics we haven’t treated yet that are currently occupying you too, then I’d be happy if you bring those for tomorrow too. Maybe you have time today to briefly think about it. And I’d be really happy to gather that too. And then afterward we’ll also have another room, which I won’t reveal yet, I’ll tell you that tomorrow. And then we’ll start with the next overarching theme with the first approach, so to speak, on Thursday. And yes, then let’s move into the closing round together for today. I’m really curious what you’d like to underline or highlight from the room today. Marc.
I’ll start the day right away with sun in my heart and inner warmth, even though it’s grey on grey outside for me. Thanks for the room.
Yes, words have been exchanged enough. Now let’s finally see deeds. You see, I can’t get away from my Goethe. And I look forward to every event, every stage, every day, in the hope of being able to participate. And I also find your future direction wonderful, dear Yasemin. And especially this Yasopedia, that was the highlight for me today, and it inwardly confirmed for me to say, this thing is simply running smoothly. Thank you for that.
Yasopedia is good, yes. Oh, lovely. Thank you so, so much, dear ones, for the great contributions, that we’re tackling this together at many points, and today also once more directing the gaze on one hand at the rooms from the past weeks, but also going a step further and looking again at the overarching themes above them too. I think that also opened up an expanded horizon, so to speak, which I also find very, very nice. And that ultimately led to us also picking up this or that thematically again here, up to me bringing in this whatever-it’s-called, working title “Yasupedia” at all. I’m happy that it’s landing well with you. I’m really curious what else emerges from it. And I’m looking forward to all the rooms coming in the next days, weeks, months, however it goes. Really, really have a lot of fun with that. I think it’s great what’s really coming into being together here every day, and to always have an overarching theme or also a room topic as a guardrail, but then really let this process, this free flow of the river, so to speak, run its course too. And in that sense, thank you so, so much for that. I’m looking forward to seeing you tomorrow with room rules and topic collection. We continue here again at 8am in Deep Talk. Until then I wish you a wonderful day for now, and I’m looking forward to tomorrow. Ciao.
